Join F&S+ to read exclusive stories by your favorite writers. During the time which they made knives, the company created a long line of hunting and fishing knives. In the years after the Civil War, hunting knives tended to follow one of three patternsheavy-duty folders, traditional Bowie knives, and small utilitarian butchering type blades. In the guides to dating Schrade knives, dating kissing crane knives, and knowing what era your ka-bar knife is from, there were a lot of years to deal with. Gary I wonder if your knife is a transitional example were the fullered blade transforms into the saber grind variety more like the Mark1. After decades of feuding and parting ways to start yet another Case-related cutlery, Kinfolks saw three cousins come together to help one another. Although a part of the Case knives family, Kinfolks knives didnt have a long run in the market. On my variant note the filler in the shape of a cross, on the other variant it is in the shape of an oval. There are also extensive catalogs on the knife brand, making my work easier. Search our products for it! dustin, all I can say is the guard is not magnetic. They're not like the other vintage war knives I've dated because they're not fighting knives. If you dont go to knife shows, you might also have some luck with veteran knife collectors in your locale. As popular as the Marbles line was with outdoorsmen, it was their impact on the rest of the cutlery industry that really made a lasting impression. Kinfolk's knives were made by the Kinfolk company from about 1924 until the early 1950's. They are very hard to date the exact time they were produced. There was a problem loading your book clubs. Way cool! The mystery of the Jean Case Cutlery Company is at last explained, and many family photographs and recipes are included. There is no definitive history of the Kinfolks knife around, but the little we know of them is as interesting. Or do you just want to know the value of your knife? All About Pocket Knives is a knife related resource center for buying, selling, researching, and discussing all things knives, Post LARGE STOCKMAN - JADE BONE KINFOLK JIG. Need Help Identifying Kinfolks fixed blade | BladeForums.com Even if there is no evidence on that, it doesnt drive down the value of these well-made, vintage knives. Case XX Knives by Pattern -Large Stockman Your email address will not be published. Included are four vintage catalogs to aid collectors in the identification and dating of Kinfolks knives, as well as biographies of Kinfolks founders: Russ Case, Tint Champlin, and Dean Case. The original building was blown away by wind, yet Dean Case was able to buy-out his related partners through product by the 1930s, supplying fighting knives and the M4 bayonet during World War II, refocusing on hunting and household knives afterward. Re: Kinfolks identification Post by Leo7504 Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:15 am I obtained access to that Kinfolks book and the 1939 Catalog describes a Model 925 with a 5 in blood groove blade,heavy back and keen edge, double non-slip guard and extra long indestructible handle, length overall to 9 1/2 inches. My guesstimate would be about 1925 (IIRC the founding year for Kinfolks, but I could be wrong) up to WWII. This forum is for discussing and sharing pictures of anything that relates to fixed blade knives. Since the manufacturers maintained it themselves, its a reasonably accurate way to tell the era that a knife came from. Kinfolks Knives : A History of Cutlery and Cousins It looks like WhatsApp is not installed on your phone. Also, for the rst time, the Ending Jan 29 at 8:05AM PST 1d 10h. Copyright 2004-2023 allaboutpocketknives.com, Collecting Case Knives: Identification and Price Guide, "If there are no Dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where. We are all connected through Job Case, all kin, and this book may be the history of only one of thirty-two different cutleries our family has started over our 140+ year history in the industry, but it is much more. If you dont have both the repro and original side by side, you might not be able to tell the difference sometimes. I remember when I got the middle knife, him commenting that it looked just like the knives they had in the ETO except for the finish. The middle knife has the chrome plating on the blade that Case was known to do. Included are four vintage catalogs to aid collectors in the identification and dating of Kinfolks knives, as well as biographies of Kinfolks founders: Russ Case, Tint Champlin, and Dean Case. FREE shipping. All of these make the recipe for a truly great knife that deserves our attention. Tang Stamps - Case Collectors Club Kinfolk Collectible Vintage Fixed Blade Knives. Part of the great thing about knives is the variety and variation. It is knives like these that make some people on the outside question why Case knives are so expensive when they are just a great value for their money. While this may sound fairly conventional, no one else was making a similar hunting knife at the time. It is the aluminum guards that define Kinfolks made Case fixed blades. In 1958, Robeson purchased Kinfolks Inc of Little Valley, New York, which just happened to be Emerson Cases former employer. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. In that case, this book is also a good investment. Required fields are marked *. Without new collectors, this hobby will slowly atrophy until there are just a few of us left (until we age out). Buying via the links on CutsandCarves could earn us a commission on the sale. Germany, as well as several other European countries, also flooded the country with massive quantities of low-priced sheath knives (most of them based on the old Marbles patterns). ROBESON CUTLERY COMPANY - iKnife Collector Marbles pattern sheath knives ruled the market for decades, but the introduction of the Buck 110 lockback design in 1965 was a turning point. I know Camillus had the one style sheath for 5"knives that seems to be unique to them, but I kind of wonder if sheaths weren't generally a sub-contracted item and often shared between different manufactures. Fortunately, we dont have that with Kinfolks, but there is a unique issue. I posted the lower knife on another thread from Gary recently. Read More How to Date a Camillus Knife Effectively (1902 2007)Continue, The Case Kodiak is one of the most interesting exports from the company and continues to command a high price today. Correct Kinfolks marked sheath, lightly sharpened condition, guard and leather washers very tight. With these prices it will be hard for a new collector (with limited funds) to acquire nice knives in the future. Follow authors to get new release updates, plus improved recommendations. In most of the places that Ive come across a Klein knife, it was either a military electricians knife or for another handyman. All of these make the recipe for a truly great knife that deserves our attention. Included are four vintage catalogs to aid collectors in the identification and dating of Kinfolks knives, as well as biographies of Kinfolks founders: Russ Case, Tint Champlin, and Dean Case. Kinfolks Inc. and World War II by Frank Trzaska. Early Ideals all came with a small, practical single handguard on the edge side of the blade, but for some reason, a less useful double guard replaced this in a few years. When Vietnam heated up, the Camillus Pilot Survival Knife became a standard-issue item for a wide range of units, including Ranger Companies. The top two you have are right as rain for war time production AAF knives. Find out more below. The sheath also offered a stone pouch and extra holes for tying it down to a flight uniform. Today, you and I are going to go through a journey that should, hopefully, help us estimate the founding date of your Kinfolks knife or what era it came from at the least. Is there a way to date an old Kinfolks hunting knife? My father-in-laws Case knife he brought back from the ETO. No matter which it is, there are a series of reasons why you might, Read More How to Determine the Value of a Knife (Vintage, Antiques & Collectibles)Continue, Your email address will not be published. Read Next: Five Best Hunting Knives Ever Made. The Western procured knife by the USAAF was only known to have the brown bakelight guard and pommel but there are two variations in the sheath with a low and high throat retaining strap. thorin6, No matter which it is, there are a series of reasons why you might, Read More How to Determine the Value of a Knife (Vintage, Antiques & Collectibles)Continue. One strange side note to its history is that it was once the official sheath knife of the American Boy Scouts, from 1933 to 1940. View cart for details. One of the most common models today has the 568 TC USA marking on its blade. Marbles next gift to the sporting cutlery world was the Expert sheath knife (5- and 6-inch blade lengths), introduced in 1906. Kinfolks Knives offers an accurate and factual history of Kinfolks Cutlery. Enhancements you chose aren't available for this seller. . Collecting the M4 Bayonet: Made for the M1 Carbine This guide to dating Camillus knives is focused on the Camillus-stamped knives only. 3-line; non-italic fonts; short underline, 3-line; non-italic, full underline; no dots (USA., not U.S.A.), 3-line stamp; full underline; dotted U.S.A.; italics. Please try again. Still factory sharp! However it looks like your knife has a nickel silver guard which may indicate pre-Kinfolks made by Case. Fortunately for us, Camillus changed their stamps enough to map each one to different periods. While none are stamped Marbles, the knife remains in wide use even today. However, the Case dating system also adds to the appeal and collectibility because the knives can be easily identified and dated. Picked this up at a nearby antique festival in NC. Kinfolks Knives offers an accurate and factual history of Kinfolks Cutlery. by JohnR Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:09 pm, Post I have written different guides on how to date different knives to a specific era but this one is different. Brain fart I suppose. $6.30 shipping. There are variations within each manufacturer. A similar issue occurs when dating the Kinfolks knife, but the chances of that error are slim. That must not have been a very good marketing strategy as the cautions against hard use were soon dropped from their advertising. From the top is the first production strait tang markings followed by the second production arced tang stamp. The consensus is that the Kinfolks knife company was established around 1924 from when they made these really fine knives till the 1950s. Before WWII, the Woodcraft saw the most attention from competitors. Saunders knives; and a few more knives under contract. When WWI and WWII came along, Adolph shifted the focus of the company to cater to U.S. soldiers and the Allied Forces. Included are four vintage catalogs to aid collectors in the identification and dating of Kinfolks knives, as well as biographies of Kinfolks founders: Russ Case, Tint Champlin, and Dean Case. So, whats unique about the history of the Camillus knives? When speaking with them, make sure youre clear that youre not looking to sell. Challenges with Dating the Kinfolks Knife. They also sometimes referred to the blade or overall knife material which is equally helpful in narrowing down the years. In 1929, Marbles added a 4-inch-blade version of the Expert to its line called the Sports Knife. The Girl Scouts of America adopted it as their official sheath knife in 1930, and the Boy Scouts made it an alternative to the more expensive Woodcraft. You can jump to the following sections if youre in a hurry, but I would advise that you dont skip this part. If you are a Case Knife collector this is more the backstory on the people who built the companies that made the products and less about the specifics on any era of knives. As long as the treatment passed the series of tests that were required of it it would been accepted. Some shady knife enthusiasts might want to get the knife from you at a steal price or in a swap deal for something else. 4 bids. If I am honest, theyre not the only ones to make this mistake. This was where he first got a taste for cutlery, which would later shape the man he became and the company he launched. After more than two decades (1897) in this business, importation costs for the knives were getting higher and wiping out Adolphs profits. If you have a Kinfolks knife of, Read More How to Date A Kinfolks Knife to A Specific EraContinue, If you have spent some time here before, then we have dated some pretty amazing knives together. By Stockman knives are said to have originated from the Cattleman's knife, since they are similar in character, but less bulky. There are many flavors to be had and with me it is edged implements more directly associated with aeronautical. Thanks! By 1876, after his uncles company had to close shop due to poor sales figures, Adolph charted out a new path for himself. Brief content visible, double tap to read full content. Do you think that the Government would have specifically requested the chrome plating, or that the manufactures supplied them from their existing stock to fill orders? Why in the world would ANYONE pay $713.00 for this book? Add that to some shady collectors taking advantage of this fact to fabricate the fakes of these knives, and we have another challenge on our hands. The originals stopped being made such a long time ago that the catalogs and materials to identify them might have all gotten lost, or might be unreliable. Theyre not like the other vintage war knives Ive dated because theyre not fighting knives. Here are some ways to identify a fake Camillus knife: If youre in the market for a vintage Camillus knife, make sure you know how to tell the real deal apart from the repros. Total Production: 2,469,956. Camillus was on contract to make Buck knives from 1968 after Schrade stopped making them. Awarded many contracts during the period from 1939 to 1945, Kinfolks produced a significant number of knives in several different patterns which helped our men in the field and in the air with a quality tool when needed. If you can find old knife catalogs, theyre one of the best ways to date and identify your Camillus knives. Many hunters and fisherman carried them. Marble tended to know his customers well, and if he thought a double guard would sell better than a single, then that was the way it was going to be. List prices may not necessarily reflect the product's prevailing market price. The Story Behind America's First Hunting Knife | Field & Stream $6.30 shipping. But there are clever reproductions that can fool you into thinking its the real thing. Required fields are marked *. $274.99. WOW! I purchased 2 books to give as a gift to some of the men in my family. This isn't just a book for knife collectors. And a final rant about the place we all love to hate. Kinfolks were granted the patent to use tungsten carbide on their knives in 1955, and the knives went into production afterward. Kinfolks Knives: A History of Cutlery and Cousins|Paperback Thank you Steve, did not realize it could be that old, the type of bone and the hammered pins did make me wonder.. All had clip-point blades and a deeply-fullered edge grind (not a blood groove). $9.85 shipping. Includes initial monthly payment and selected options. Required fields are marked *. My guesstimate would be about 1925(IIRC the founding year for Kinfolks, but I could be wrong) up to WWII. If you happen to have, Read More How to Date A Case Kodiak Knife by Yourself (Expert Advice)Continue, Do you have a knife that you want to have sold? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Now, we know already that this, Read More How to Tell If A 1918 Trench Knife Is Real (5+ Unique Methods)Continue, The kissing crane knives are some of the most well-made, long-lasting, and historical knives that we can still find around today. Reviewed in the United States on January 13, 2023, I like it I use it to verify the age of my knives, Reviewed in the United States on October 4, 2022. I presume the stamp USN was added by the individual as personal enhancement. This article appears in the July 2021 issue of KNIFE Magazine. The Marbles Expert (top) and its little brother, the Sports Knife (bottom). Dustin- Nice collection!! Included are four vintage catalogs to aid collectors in the identification and dating of Kinfolks knives, as well as biographies of Kinfolks founders: Russ Case, Tint Champlin, and Dean Case. Klein knives are clear vintages, and they're one of those knives that went to the war. Theyre not like the other vintage war knives Ive dated because theyre not fighting knives. I paid a reasonable price on this knife given it's condition. From mine and your two they are all slightly different which would suggest the milling process was not precise, however it is distinctive one uses brass spacers and the other does not. The List Price is the suggested retail price of a new product as provided by a manufacturer, supplier, or seller. Of course, they were sharp and most of them are older than us, but that doesnt mean we lost interest. Most period cutlery companies also produced close copies of the Ideal for use as survival knives in the various branches of the armed forces. The brand name has since been resurrected. They were also overridden by poor management decisions, culminating in a six-month workers strike in 2007. Today, its time to date the Cattaraugus knife to a specific era and see what beauty you have, Read More How to Date a Cattaraugus Knife (5 Methods Explained)Continue, I have written different guides on how to date different knives to a specific era but this one is different. these are the typical sheaths for the knives in post #1. Your email address will not be published. We work hard to protect your security and privacy. I appreciate you writing this post and the rest of the site is very good. Still,, Read More How to Date Klein Knives to A Specific Year or Era (5 Methods)Continue, Of all the knives that I have ever tried to date, the Kinfolks remain one of the most beautiful. Others give only a very vague date when the original Kinfolks company was making its knives and nothing more. I love to read a book that sticks with me even after I have put it down. Maybe it was the Woodcraft name that sold them. I did have to do a little searching for the right picture link from tou album post. With Western being so far off in the hinterland, maybe their sheaths tend to be more unique to them. Kinfolks Knives offers an accurate and factual history of Kinfolks Cutlery. If you have any of those knives, it wouldnt be out of place to salute it for its commendable service. But that changed at the start of the war with the adoption of the legendary USMC Fighting/Utilitya knife that was basically a militarized version of a Marbles Ideal. We dont share your credit card details with third-party sellers, and we dont sell your information to others. Really nice knife, and to each his own, but I would not date that knife. $9.90 shipping. Camillus was also notorious for sometimes mixing up the tang stamps. The company got a short reprieve in 1957 when its survival knife design was selected for use by all Air Force and Navy pilots. The Western "V-44" offered here is in about FINE condition. #1 Check the Tang Stamps This is usually where I first look at when dating knives. There were six manufacturers: Kinfolks, Queen, Williams, Case, Ka-bar, and PAL. A timeline of the family and related cutleries is included for quick reference, as well as answers to the most common questions about the company from www.KinfolksInc.com. Some time back I picked up one of the curved marking version with the plastic pommel and no colored washers in the grip. At a time like this, when not all dealers can be trusted, you need to be on guard. There are variations within each manufacturer. I can never really be sure where or when a blade gets it's cover unless I open the box from the factory that the knife came in. Blades: CLIP, SPEY AND SHEEPFOOT Length Closed: 4 1/4 MFG List: $102.70 Our Price: $69.99 Limited . M3 trench knife - Wikipedia Since the manufacturers maintained it themselves, it's a reasonably accurate way to tell the era that a knife came from. I know my knives - maybe not as well as my mother - but enough to write helpful guides for you. How to Date a Camillus Knife Effectively (1902 - 2007) Vintage Kinfolks Fixed Blade Hunting Knife Stacked Leather Handle W/Sheath . Gladstone, Mich USA with sheath. The blade has a 4 " false edge, and a pair of very narrow, 3 5/8" long fullers, near the spine on each side of the . Kinfolks Knives offers an accurate and factual history of Kinfolks Cutlery. Like every other knife Ive dated, the Camillus knives are challenging in their way. When I received the package, I, out of more curiosity than anything began to read the forward and introduction and was immediately drawn in by the colourful characters and the 140 years of american history. If you have one of such knives, follow the guide above to narrow down the date or era as much as you can. I have covered some of them here for you: Those guides expose you to some insider tips and strategies to get the exact date of these knives, narrow down their era or simply confirm if you have the original thing. by JohnR Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:39 pm, Post Thanks for showing, once again learned something. Starting in 1918, the English cutlery company, Wade and Butcher, began offering pretty much exact copies of Marbles Ideal pattern. I am immediately ordering even more books to pass on. I have presumed that it was a 5679 L 36 that some one had replaced the grip and pommel with those from a USN Mark 1. Case knife Engraved, Kinfolk Jig Jade Bone Mini Trapper Pocket Knife Personalized, Groomsmen Knife, Fathers day Gift. This is the Kinfolks family. of Economic Development, Planning & Tourism. No matter the reason for wanting to date that blade, these methods will get you an accurate year or an era, at worst. We are sorry. They also made some pocket knives but most were belt knives. #3 Speak with Knife Collectors and Dealers. The company closed shop in the 1950s and they have since been resurrected in other capacities. Also note the top two with brass guards are with and without brass spacers. Premium Online Members can read the whole thing by clicking the blue button below. Included are four vintage catalogs to aid collectors in the identification and dating of Kinfolks knives, as well as biographies of Kinfolks founders: Russ Case, Tint Champlin, and Dean Case. By In any case, Marbles Woodcraft and Ideals are still easy to find on eBay. So question: does it have brass spacers in handle? Although I don't seriously collect knives I do have a small collection of Camillus sheath knives. Camillus was so successful a knife brand that other knifemakers contracted them to manufacture their blades. The knife featured here was manufactured by the Kinfolks company. The TC marking shows that the blade was made of Tungsten Carbide, a material that Kinfolks started using in 1957. Be prepared to take clear pictures of the knife, but never send the knife to anyone to have it dated for you. Knife Dating Archives - Cuts & Carves
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