Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement, Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement, and Your Privacy Choices and Rights (each updated 1/26/2023). John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. He lived in 1928, at address, Connecticut. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. ``They did the technical stuff, DNA testing and all that, and we did the grunt police work,' Hege said. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? ", The much-faster-than-expected economic recovery thats followed the easing of the coronavirus pandemic has produced several encouraging develo. Dance defense. ``She was mainly worried about her little girl,' Myers recalled. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. Your comment could not be farther than the truth! This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. Previous to Teresa's current city of Loveland, CO, Teresa Katrinak lived in Estes Park CO. New state, new man. Prince Andrew has offered to run some of the prestigious Royal estates as part of his negotiations to leave his Royal mansion - with King Charles reportedly telling him 'there is no chance of that happening'. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. Mr Freeman, Why are youre rude about others who disagree with your OPINION (including jury and appeal judges)? Media galore. I thought the same. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. Everyone lies. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Davidson County sheriff's deputies searched Rorrer's house in Linwood and volunteered to keep an eye on her after hours. We will automatically post your comment and a link to the news story to your Facebook timeline at the same time it is posted on MailOnline. More likely it reflects a relative reluctance to execute females as well as the pendency of what will be the last episode of DNA investigation. !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). She will be taken to Pennsylvania today to face trial. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. Browse Locations. Despite his detention, he continues to enjoy the support of his millions of online followers. Weak wages. Police said the couple moved in together and had a 1-year-old baby daughter. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? Cop defends accused. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. Jul 11, 1929 - Sep 10, 2011 (Age 82) Plant Memorial Trees Opens send flowers url in a new window Combination locks. The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! Out of the two hairs found in the car only one had enough root to perform a DNA match which did match but police waited to arrest Patricia until a highly advanced and accurate match could be made, which took a year. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. The District Attorney got this one right. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. This woman killed and is where she belongs! You say by definition! All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. They lived together in Salisbury Township, Pa., for about two years, but they broke up in 1989. It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). Great catch. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. Username. Sign up for our newsletter to keep reading. When she stood trial that same year, she maintained her innocence and alleged that she and Andrew Katrinak had continued to stay in touch as good friends, so she wouldn't do anything to hurt him. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. Go somewhere else where your asserted expertise will be professionally tested and you wont be so frustrated and insulting about those who disagree (with your expertise and opinion). Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Hashtags such as #FreeTopG and references to Matrix opposition have flooded social media since the influencers arrest in December. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! The 36-year-old former kickboxer and his brother have been jailed in . Resides in Bethlehem, PA. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. There are innocent people in prison. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. It was Patricias hair no question. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Her mother was married to my uncle. Have you read the book? Have you read the book? The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. U.S.M.C. neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. Not normal folks obsessed ones do. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. Lie detectors are pseudo science. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. The feminist in me is, like, hell yeah!: Will men take the male contraceptive pill? Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). More hairs there. She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. . In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Flaw in reasoning. I would have liked better her being put to death! The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. (Nope. This article is little more than fiction. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. Lived In Drake CO . Search their Criminal Records, Contact Info, Photos and More 1) Andrew Katrinak's Phone & Current Address, Andrew Katrinak's Phone #, Address & More, Andrew Katrinak's Contact Info, Social Profiles & More, View Andrew's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, andrew****@gmail, View Andrew's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, andrew****@yahoo, View Andrew's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, andrew****@hotmail, View Andrew's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, andrew****@aol, View Andrew's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, andrew****@outlook. This woman was obsessed and jealous. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. Phone records dont lie.) From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. All rights reserved. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. An intensive search was launched, and family members distributed hundreds of missing-person flyers around Pennsylvania. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. Claps! Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? Not gender neutral. Part of the Daily Mail, The Mail on Sunday & Metro Media Group, 'I felt different to the rest of my family - and my mum felt the same': Prince Harry opens up on his 'broken home' upbringing saying parents rowing in front of children 'is not a good idea' - but FAILS to mention William once in 90min toxic trauma chat, DONALD J TRUMP: The world has finally woken to the truth about the Wuhan virus. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. "Andrew was diagnosed with a serious medical condition in December 2022 whilst he was in Dubai," his representative told The Sun Online. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. But none of those charges ever stuck. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. A spokesperson for Mr Tate told Mail Online that the 36-year-old was taken to a Romanian clinic because he was not allowed to be monitored by his chosen medical team in Dubai. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. All Filters. How would an intruder find it? because theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Probably by the jeans and the boots. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! Still, no good leads materialized. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. Now, there are suggestions the family's solution to Andrew potentially losing his home could be to move him into the 'nest egg' Fergie purchased as an investment for their daughters, Princess Beatrice, 34, and Princess Eugenie, 32. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. I dont think so. The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. The bodies were nearby, said state police Capt. Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. Ballistics experts determined that a bullet removed from Joann Katrinak's body was fired from a .22-caliber pistol similar to one Rorrer owned. Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. If you purchase a product or register for an account through one of the links on our site, we may receive compensation. And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. Prosecutor pounds away. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. (Lehighvalleylive.com file photo). Mary was born in August 1891, in Connecticut. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. Puny policy. The district attorney's office dismissed as offensiveNeely's implications on the evidence, according to the newspaper's report. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her. I hope she rots in hell. The bodies of the mother and son were found in April 1995 in a rural, wooded area 15 miles from home. Some volunteered their own time for this duty, Hege said. ``I can't believe I was alone with her,' a tearful Bruner said Tuesday evening. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. They are a joke. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? I do. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. And this doesnt apply to your opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. They dont need to make money??? What definition? Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. Andrew Katrinak told police he refused to speak to her, and Joann Katrinak warned Rorrer not to call back. 'Once you sign up, you do what you're told': Duke of Sussex tells trauma expert Gabor Mat 'a lot of us' in the Army 'didn't necessarily agree or disagree' with the West's invasion of Afghanistan but did 'what you're trained to do', Duke of York is currentlyrefusing to leave his 30-bedroom Royal Windsor Lodge, He proposed torun the Royal Estates, including late mother's beloved Balmoral, he fears he will be unable to afford its upkeep if the King cuts his 250,000-a-year grant. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? Patricia L. Rorrer was taken into custody from the Linwood home she shared with her boyfriend and 1-year-old daughter on June 24, 1997. Walmart woe. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. Living on the edge (literally! According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Cookie Settings/Do Not Sell My Personal Information. Its never been made clear. In recent weeks, the King has reportedly asked all members of the royal family to tighten their belts and to expect less money from the Duchy now owned by Charles than in the past. Name. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. Davidson County Sheriff's deputies helped with interviews, gathering evidence and checking alibis. Rorrer's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Katrinak, was the husband of Joann Katrinak and Alex's father. Andrew currently pays a reported 250-a-week for a state-subsidised 30-room mansion complete with 98 acres of land and a swimming pool - and is not keen to leave it after 20 years. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. Rorrer liked trading and training horses, Myers said, because she didn't have to put her 1-year-old daughter in day care. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. I think shes guilty for sure. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. Andrew Katrinak. The two kept in touch by telephone, and in 1991, Rorrer briefly sought refuge at Katrinak's home in Catasauqua after being assaulted by another boyfriend. Rorrer's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Katrinak, was the husband of Joann Katrinak and Alex's father. Youre absolutely right!! And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. True, Andrew would have no way to acquire and plant Patricias blond hair there because it wasnt that color when she knew him. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. ``I didn't know her back then, but I don't think she could begin to do what she's been accused of doing,' Myers said. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! Yes, documentaries probably do misrepresent evidence, and many may respond to that misrepresentation, but beneath that is jury judgment, and while courts can be wrong they are usually right. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. You are absolutely right. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? ``This woman was a possible double murderer, so we had to protect the people out there,' Hege said. ``Her lawyer said anything we say could be used against her,' Chambers said late Tuesday night. If the answer is no, enough said! And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. Its a video on Utube Judges For Justice featuring her case. Follow him on Twitter @KurtBresswein. ANDREW Tate has complained "they won't let me leave" in another whinge from prison after claiming he is suffering from a "serious health condition". To do this we will link your MailOnline account with your Facebook account. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. 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Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call.
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