As wildlife biologists, wed be fascinated to say 'look look what was found in our state.'. Caller: Oh yeah. For starters, part of the confusion might come from the fact that the eastern cougar was taken off the endangered species list earlier this year. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. Caller: Yeah I hadn't experienced blastoff fall so this was around September and I was driving from Webster into Concord on Horse Hill Road and anybody in the area would know I was right near the Red Barn and all of a sudden this animal jumps out of the woods and it bounded across the road in about two two giant leaps and stopped in the field just on the other side. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. Since 1917, Lions clubs have offered people the opportunity to give something back to their communities. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off.
Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it.
Mountain Lion Population (In Each U.S. State) - Wildlife Informer Is this kind of a typical story. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. Well let me ask maybe Pat and Rick about this. BUT THAT SAID, Id love to be proven wrong. Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. And those are not the same things. We'll be right back. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. But are there mountain lions living in New Hampshire? I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. I wanted to get your thoughts on the mystique of the mountain lion start with you Rick. For over 38 years the Saddleback Mountain Lions have offered people a chance to give back to their community. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. New Hampshire Public Radio | Peter Biello: From New Hampshire Public Radio I'm Peter Biello in for Lark Knoy and this is the exchange. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. They get a lot of media attention but compared to the the amount of times that a mountain lion could attack a person but doesn't because they don't typically view us as prey. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. Right. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. Well within there. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Your support makes this news available to everyone. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. Tell us your story. But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. But if you were to get Western dispersing mountain lions just would just sort of expanding into New Hampshire. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. Really appreciate it. Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. "Of those three to five reports,. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. 1957. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. Sam.
Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. Lots of people have stories about them, people have them on their game cameras I mean its kind of a thing. This is a machine-generated transcript, and may contain errors. You could trace that was this same cat from point to point to point. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. For all the men out there that don't realize it. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. Rick van de Poll: Yes. So it's there was no question in my mind. Well let's hear from from Sue Morse again science director for the organization keeping track. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. They were able to do all that by genetics. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. Caller: Yeah. Part II. Let's talk to Mike in Webster. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. Verifiable pictures recorded by the observing person or a trail camera. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. As far as I could tell there was a positive DNA sequence coming from the scat sample Patrick. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. Let us know your story and share your photos. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. A 140-pound male mountain lion was hit by a car and killed in 2011 in Milford, Connecticut. I can't. So what those ranges. John you're on the air. That's too big for Bobcat. Peter Biello: We got an e-mail question from Robert in Epsom who asks are sightings or encounters with these big cats less dangerous here where they're passing through than out west where those same mountain lines might be establishing territory Rick. I just want to tell you a story that I read. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. You're on the air. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. 44-H Links. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. Hunting is legal, but closely regulated by the state. There are mountain lion in Massachusetts. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. Peter Biello: Oh okay. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. I believe I saw one that's fine and I'm not looking for an immediate story. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. List of Mountains in New Hampshire is a general list of mountains in New Hampshire, with elevation.This list includes many mountains in the White Mountains range that covers about a quarter of the state, as well as mountains outside of that range.. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. Well I can't tell you what you saw. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. They used to roam the entire continent, but have become extinct in most US states. Patrick Tate: Yes. GAP MOUNTAIN LIONS CLUB Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire (USA) District 44-N . Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball.
Think You Saw A Mountain Lion in N.H.? - New Hampshire Public Radio Okay. Want to report a Mountain Lion sighting in New Hampshire? Patrick Tate: So Cougar Mountain Lion katama. Erler is a senior naturalist at the Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness. That's pretty elaborate. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. I have no doubt that there are mountain lion roaming New Hampshire. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. This is the exchange. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. Really appreciate it. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. How far were you from this cat. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. It's you know I recognized their report and. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years.
Saddleback Mountain Lions So you want identifiable backgrounds. You treat it as if it's a sincere situation. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. Peter Biello: Well John thanks very much for the story really appreciate it. Part II. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. So do they. So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. The western mountain lion lives in a more of a grassland open area now so to blend in with a very lighted situation here in the Northeast we are very shadowy dark situation because of the forest and our cats wear a darker brownish reddish color than what they were and they were also smaller than what the western mountain lion is. We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. What kind of animal is that. Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. New Hampshire Public Radio | So that's the specimen that you find going long distances. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion.
Gap Mountain Lions Club Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. I have one that's more elaborate than that. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. Theres tracks everywhere. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. Patrick Tate: Same here in New Hampshire too. Peter Biello: I did mention four feet nose to tail would be kind of small for a mountain lion. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. A lot of times. You don't know what's going on. Peter Biello: Yeah. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. Phone number 1 800. So. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. No that's a little bit outside the range. Can we go to the site. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. Rick van de Poll: 80 90. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. Current conditions in New Hampshire would support a mountain lion, according to Tate, as forests have returned, allowing for prey species to become more prevalent. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. So there's even debate about that very subject. Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. So if you were to ask me has a mountain lion ever passed through New Hampshire and been spotted by somebody who wasnt able to get hard evidence? Id personally be willing to say "probably, yes.".
Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center There was no sign of it.
Mountain Lion in New Hampshire? - Bowsite.com Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. Caller: Are probably. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. Is there something particularly hospitable about New Hampshire Forests that make them want to come here. I didn't see him online. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion.
1,470 likes. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. So I don't understand really how how this this idea came to be but it is the main reason why folks believe that fishing game is is covering up the fact that there are mountain lions in the state again with no evidence. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. And it was you know 10 or 12 people saw it all at once. Fear for others and those two polarizing opinions on the situation is what I believe brings out mystique and Sam you know I take kind of a long view on this. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Mountain lions live in the state. Mike you're on the air. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting.
Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS Seems reasonable! I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. And you know all that. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. Tonight, Sean McDonald investigates,.
'Like we did as kids': Horse makes snow angels with her owner in New Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. The brother and sister big cats have lived . Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely.
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